Early Vertical Drives - Revision history

FrankRahman: /* Drive Cage */

2026-06-02T12:49:57Z

Drive Cage

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	~~Inserting~~ the first drive is challenging since the spacers are not mounted to the case so it can take some time to lineup the bolts through the case, through the spacers and into ~~the A drive. I find it easier if I remove the B drives spacers while installing~~ the A drive.		The bottom bolts and spacers on many of my early machines seem to have a white adhesive or thread locker used on them. While it makes it harder to remove the bolts it has a side effect of holding the spacers in place for reassembly.<br>
			If the spacers aren't adhered to the case inserting the first drive is challenging since the spacers are not mounted to the case so it can take some time to lineup the bolts through the case, through the spacers and into the A drive.

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	== A missing cage? ==		== A missing cage? ==

FrankRahman: /* A missing cage? */

2025-01-06T03:26:03Z

A missing cage?

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	== A missing cage? ==		== A missing cage? ==
	In all of my early machines with vertical drives and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present. (~~David~~'s machine below.)		In all of my early machines with vertical drives and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present. (Daniel's machine below.)

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FrankRahman: /* A missing cage? */

2025-01-06T03:20:43Z

A missing cage?

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	That the "Kaycomp" machines may have been assembled before they were aware of the interference problem that the cage was likely designed for or before the cages had been delivered to the factory. Putting their assembly out of serial number order. (This is a problem throughout Kaypro's history.)		That the "Kaycomp" machines may have been assembled before they were aware of the interference problem that the cage was likely designed for or before the cages had been delivered to the factory. Putting their assembly out of serial number order. (This is a problem throughout Kaypro's history.)

	If #2767 was David Thompson's machine then he may have based some of his reviews in Microcornucopia on a machine that would have been prone to more extreme problems than other early Kaypros before they turned the drives.<br>		If #2767 was David Thompson's machine then he may have based some of his reviews in Microcornucopia on a machine that would have been prone to more extreme problems than other early Kaypros before they turned the drives to be horizontal.<br>
	<code>The dispatch location of Bend in Oregon has a special significance. The computer journal ‘Micro Cornucopia’ by David Thompson was published from there for almost 10 years. So I imagine (for myself) that this Kaycomp once belonged to David. Maybe I can solve the mystery.</code>[https://retrocmp.de/kaypro/kay-p25_kaycomp.htm Thomas's website]		<code>The dispatch location of Bend in Oregon has a special significance. The computer journal ‘Micro Cornucopia’ by David Thompson was published from there for almost 10 years. So I imagine (for myself) that this Kaycomp once belonged to David. Maybe I can solve the mystery.</code>[https://retrocmp.de/kaypro/kay-p25_kaycomp.htm Thomas's website]

	I could be more certain of this fact if there was another Kaycomp machine that we could look at the insides of.		I could be more certain of this fact if there was another Kaycomp machine that we could look at the insides of.

FrankRahman: /* A missing cage? */

2025-01-06T03:18:59Z

A missing cage?

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	== A missing cage? ==		== A missing cage? ==
	In all of my machines with vertical drives and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present. (David's machine below.)		In all of my early machines with vertical drives and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present. (David's machine below.)

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FrankRahman: /* A missing cage? */

2025-01-06T03:18:17Z

A missing cage?

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	== A missing cage? ==		== A missing cage? ==
	In all of my machines and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present. (David's machine below.)		In all of my machines with vertical drives and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present. (David's machine below.)

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FrankRahman: /* A missing cage? */

2025-01-06T03:10:09Z

A missing cage?

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	== A missing cage? ==		== A missing cage? ==
	In all of my machines and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present.		In all of my machines and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present. (David's machine below.)

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FrankRahman at 03:08, 6 January 2025

2025-01-06T03:08:28Z

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	The cage is made up of 2 panels and 4 spacers. The spacers are what physically hold the drives to the case with the longer screws. The two panels make up the shielding to lessen the interference with other internal components.		The cage is made up of 2 panels and 4 spacers. The spacers are what physically hold the drives to the case with the longer screws. The two panels make up the shielding to lessen the interference with other internal components.
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	~~[[File:Early vert drive cage parts.jpg\|left\|none]]~~
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	In place the main shield and spacers are arranged as seen in this picture.		In place the main shield and spacers are arranged as seen in this picture.

	[[File:Early vert drive cage no drives.jpg\|left\|none]]		{\|
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	Inserting the first drive is challenging since the spacers are not mounted to the case so it can take some time to lineup the bolts through the case, through the spacers and into the A drive. I find it easier if I remove the B drives spacers while installing the A drive.		Inserting the first drive is challenging since the spacers are not mounted to the case so it can take some time to lineup the bolts through the case, through the spacers and into the A drive. I find it easier if I remove the B drives spacers while installing the A drive.

	[[File:Early vert drive cage 1 drive.jpg\|left\|none]]		{\|
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	The second drive goes in just like the first one. The only difficulty with this drive is lining up the bolts with the B drive. (Note that my drive B appears to be a replacement drive from 1985. Not in the photos.)		The second drive goes in just like the first one. The only difficulty with this drive is lining up the bolts with the B drive. (Note that my drive B appears to be a replacement drive from 1985. Not in the photos.)

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	The bolts from a bottom perspective:		The bolts from a bottom perspective:

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	Finally, the top bolts are used to attach the top plate. Note that the two furthest screws go through the top plate, main shield, then into the drive.		Finally, the top bolts are used to attach the top plate. Note that the two furthest screws go through the top plate, main shield, then into the drive.

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	In all of my machines and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present.		In all of my machines and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present.

	[[File:2561 drive cage dd.jpg\|left\|none]]		{\|
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	But the images that I have of the Thomas Brase's Kaycomp #2767 there is no sign of the cage.		But the images that I have of the Thomas Brase's Kaycomp #2767 there is no sign of the cage.

	[[File:Kaycomp-2767 drive view.jpg\|left\|none]]		{\|
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	If it left the factory this way then there are two possibilities.		If it left the factory this way then there are two possibilities.

	That the "Kaycomp" machines may have been assembled before they were aware of the interference problem that the cage was likely designed for or before the cages had been delivered. Putting their assembly out of serial number order. (This is a problem throughout Kaypro's history.)		That the "Kaycomp" machines may have been assembled before they were aware of the interference problem that the cage was likely designed for or before the cages had been delivered to the factory. Putting their assembly out of serial number order. (This is a problem throughout Kaypro's history.)

	If #2767 was David Thompson's machine then he may have based some of his reviews in Microcornucopia on a machine that would have been prone to more extreme problems than other early Kaypros before they turned the drives.		If #2767 was David Thompson's machine then he may have based some of his reviews in Microcornucopia on a machine that would have been prone to more extreme problems than other early Kaypros before they turned the drives.<br>
			<code>The dispatch location of Bend in Oregon has a special significance. The computer journal ‘Micro Cornucopia’ by David Thompson was published from there for almost 10 years. So I imagine (for myself) that this Kaycomp once belonged to David. Maybe I can solve the mystery.</code>[https://retrocmp.de/kaypro/kay-p25_kaycomp.htm Thomas's website]

	I could be more certain of this fact if there was another Kaycomp machine that we could look at the insides of.		I could be more certain of this fact if there was another Kaycomp machine that we could look at the insides of.

FrankRahman at 02:52, 6 January 2025

2025-01-06T02:52:43Z

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	In place the main shield and spacers are arranged as seen in this picture.		In place the main shield and spacers are arranged as seen in this picture.

FrankRahman at 02:48, 6 January 2025

2025-01-06T02:48:21Z

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	The cage is made up of 2 panels and 4 spacers. The spacers are what physically hold the drives to the case with the longer screws. The two panels make up the shielding to lessen the interference with other internal components.		The cage is made up of 2 panels and 4 spacers. The spacers are what physically hold the drives to the case with the longer screws. The two panels make up the shielding to lessen the interference with other internal components.
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	[[File:Early vert drive cage parts.jpg\|left\|~~frameless~~]]		[[File:Early vert drive cage parts.jpg\|left\|none]]
	~~<br>~~
	In place the main shield and spacers are arranged as seen in this picture.		In place the main shield and spacers are arranged as seen in this picture.
	~~<br>~~
	[[File:Early vert drive cage no drives.jpg\|left]]		[[File:Early vert drive cage no drives.jpg\|left\|none]]
	~~<br>~~
	Inserting the first drive is challenging since the spacers are not mounted to the case so it can take some time to lineup the bolts through the case, through the spacers and into the A drive. I find it easier if I remove the B drives spacers while installing the A drive.		Inserting the first drive is challenging since the spacers are not mounted to the case so it can take some time to lineup the bolts through the case, through the spacers and into the A drive. I find it easier if I remove the B drives spacers while installing the A drive.

	[[File:Early vert drive cage 1 drive.jpg\|left]]		[[File:Early vert drive cage 1 drive.jpg\|left\|none]]

	The second drive goes in just like the first one. The only difficulty with this drive is lining up the bolts with the B drive. (Note that my drive B appears to be a replacement drive from 1985. Not in the photos.)		The second drive goes in just like the first one. The only difficulty with this drive is lining up the bolts with the B drive. (Note that my drive B appears to be a replacement drive from 1985. Not in the photos.)

	[[File:Early vert drive cage 2 drives.jpg\|left]]		[[File:Early vert drive cage 2 drives.jpg\|left\|none]]

	The bolts from a bottom perspective:		The bolts from a bottom perspective:

	[[File:Early vert drive cage bottom screws.jpg\|left]]		[[File:Early vert drive cage bottom screws.jpg\|left\|none]]

	Finally, the top bolts are used to attach the top plate. Note that the two furthest screws go through the top plate, main shield, then into the drive.		Finally, the top bolts are used to attach the top plate. Note that the two furthest screws go through the top plate, main shield, then into the drive.

	[[File:Early vert drive cage complete.jpg\|left]]		[[File:Early vert drive cage complete.jpg\|left\|none]]


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	In all of my machines and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present.		In all of my machines and in Daniel Daigle's #2561 (the earliest Kaypro by Serial Number) the cage is clearly present.

	[[File:2561 drive cage dd.jpg\|left]]		[[File:2561 drive cage dd.jpg\|left\|none]]

			But the images that I have of the Thomas Brase's Kaycomp #2767 there is no sign of the cage.

			[[File:Kaycomp-2767 drive view.jpg\|left\|none]]

			If it left the factory this way then there are two possibilities.

			That the "Kaycomp" machines may have been assembled before they were aware of the interference problem that the cage was likely designed for or before the cages had been delivered. Putting their assembly out of serial number order. (This is a problem throughout Kaypro's history.)

	~~But the images that I have of the Thomas Brase~~'s ~~Kaycomp there is no sign~~ of the ~~cage~~.		If #2767 was David Thompson's machine then he may have based some of his reviews in Microcornucopia on a machine that would have been prone to more extreme problems than other early Kaypros before they turned the drives.

	~~[[File:~~Kaycomp~~-2767 drive view~~.~~jpg\|left]]~~		I could be more certain of this fact if there was another Kaycomp machine that we could look at the insides of.

FrankRahman at 02:12, 6 January 2025

2025-01-06T02:12:18Z

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	The cage is made up of 2 panels and 4 spacers. The spacers are what physically hold the drives to the case with the longer screws. The two panels make up the shielding to lessen the interference with other internal components.		The cage is made up of 2 panels and 4 spacers. The spacers are what physically hold the drives to the case with the longer screws. The two panels make up the shielding to lessen the interference with other internal components.
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	[[File:Early vert drive cage parts.jpg\|left]]		[[File:Early vert drive cage parts.jpg\|left\|frameless]]
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	In place the main shield and spacers are arranged as seen in this picture.		In place the main shield and spacers are arranged as seen in this picture.